Still waiting on an update allowing users to change the name of their group- honestly that’s all I want right now.
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make it cost 1 robux per member and i agree
edit: 1 robux might even be too low
That is a verrrrryyyy bad idea. I don’t even have to think to point to an example of this going wrong – when ROBLOX recently gave NBC Shirt creators the option to change their name, not only did they change it to a name to spite and bully another group, but the group magically changed purposes and somehow had become the largest group on ROBLOX even though none of the members had joined it for that purpose. Usernames can be changed because the user is always the same regardless of their name. Changing the name of a group can repurpose the group entirely. If you want to lead a group with a different purpose, create a new group – human beings are not a resource which you can pick up and drop in whatever group you feel like leading. Groups should never be able to change their name or else we’ll have troves of groups constantly re-purposing themselves (which is unfair to the members who joined for another purpose and unfair to competitor groups who now are out-membered from a group that just up and decided to change its purpose) and changing their names to spite other groups.
[quote] make it cost 1 robux per member and i agree
edit: 1 robux might even be too low [/quote]
I can agree with that, a 40k member group could rename for 40.1k robux, make sure it costs 100 + #players
Even “Charge x for every member” is a bad idea. Every single group owner on the first page of groups could still afford to change their group’s name for a maximum of 261,163 Robux – for someone who can continually DevEx that’s perfectly affordable. It doesn’t even have to be a group on the first page of groups – just because some snot has a lot of money he can change his 10k member group’s name to spite another group or re-purpose it. There’s nothing you can do to make this work – it should not happen period.
I think you’re taking it a bit too far, It’s just like username changes. If someone repurposes the group they love, so be it, the members can leave all they want. If someone changes their username, they might not be as known, so be it.
Those are two completely different things and you can’t compare them. When you change your username you are only significantly affecting yourself (some people might not recognize you anymore but ultimately it doesn’t affect them hardly at all). If you change a group’s name you are actively affecting every individual user in the group as well as every single group with diplomatic ties to yours. You affect too many people without their consent for the group name changing to be feasible.
It doesn’t matter if the members can leave - you’re forcing them into a group against their will, and you’ll have an unfair member advantage over existing groups from those people until they leave (if at all – there’s no guarantee they’ll ever come back online to notice the change). There’s no reason for you to be able to switch around members to whatever kind of group you want other than gaining an unfair member advantage over other groups. If you want to lead a group with an entirely different purpose, then create a new group.
Actually, let’s gather some statistics. How about you four post which groups you’d like to change the name of, what you want to change the name to, why you need to be able to change the group name, and why making a new group is unacceptable.
My idea:
People pay depending on group’s size.
Roblox can choose to accept or decline the request from larger groups.
While we’re waiting for people to post about their groups which need name changes, here’s what happens when groups can change their name:
(the first time in history ROBLOX allowed a group to pick their new name their fears came to fruition)
(Not only did the first group on ROBLOX given the ability to pick their new name change their name to spite another group – they were considering changing it to spite multiple groups)
I would love to add a colon (a SINGLE character) to my group’s name. Instead of “Project Pokemon Community”, it would be renamed to “Project: Pokemon Community”
Why?
-So it’s identical to the name of the game it represents
Why not create new group?
-Because it has 20k members
-There’s perks for joining the group using :IsInGroup()
So basically: “I’m slightly upset with my current group’s name because it’s one character away from what I want it at so for me to be able to make a minor change which doesn’t even really benefit me every single group should be able to change their name as well opening up the group apocalypse where people are changing their names to spite other groups and swap around members into differently-purposed groups like they’re resources”?
yes. im assuming the group name change feature would be done right (as in features in place to counteract of abuse)
i also may want to change the game name entirely in the future
Oh, alright. I thought you were requesting it to change the name and you didn’t care what became of other groups as a result of the feature. Glad to see you think otherwise. Though, no one has come up with a good countermeasure for abuse – as I mentioned earlier, price * numMembers won’t work, and I don’t think there’s any other way.
…Why don’t we just have a manual pending process for group name changes
If it’s something like adding a harmless colon it’s fine
If it’s something like changing the group name drastically to something else then no
Optionally limit spam by making it an OBC only feature at first
Give this job to the people who already accept audio/textures. It’s just a text change
A feature that can potentially affect a massive number of people (100k, 200k+) should definitely have a manual, human pending process. No automation. The name should be forced to retain at least some aspect of its original purpose and no group should be allowed to completely rebrand itself.
The NBC Shirt Creators situation went something like this:
Pretend a well-known and popular company like Microsoft rebrands itself as an MMO and forces everyone who uses Windows or any other Microsoft product to participate in it at first, obviously with optional drop-out later. This would be unfair to:
A. The consumer who uses Windows and is now being forced to play some stupid MMO because Microsoft completely changed its purpose.
B. Other companies that produce MMOs. Suddenly they have a competitor that nobody can even hope to compete with, especially since a huge chunk of their players undoubtedly use Windows.
It’s entirely unfair to everyone if groups are allowed to undergo complete transformations into something else entirely. Nobody wants to join Super Elite Fighting Squadron only to have it transform overnight into Hello Kitty Fanclub or Merely’s Fanclub.
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Though, at this point you have to ask yourself: Do I really trust someone getting paid a bare-bones minimum hourly wage who’s already fed up with their job from having to approve thousands of ROBLOX assets a day (and this is ROBLOX assets – not professional UI elements and textures but stupid memes, obvious copies of other works, and general little kid mayhem) to have the dedication to take the time to ensure that the name change is proper instead of just clicking “approve” because they hate their job / are tired from having to approve thousands of explosively irritating assets?
It’s not even necessarily that a moderator is bad – NobleDragon was the one who changed NBC Shirt Creators to UK, right? He’s anything but bad and he couldn’t tell that there was an ulterior motive behind the name change – if you’re not part of the ROBLOX community, how will you know that Kestrel is a clothing group when they try to change their name to make themselves a war group? (not saying they will – just using an example). It’s impossible to properly make a decision with just the name – you’d have to do a background check on the group itself. And even if they pass that, what’s to prevent “Advanced Security” from changing their name to “Lortex Security” to spite “Vortex Security”? It’s impossible for moderators to determine whether or not a group has an ulterior motive behind its name change – you’d never know that Lortex was a play off of Vortex if you weren’t part of our community.
It’s also safe to say that war clans are the largest portion of all the groups on ROBLOX. Do you really trust war groups, whose entire existence is based on becoming better than everyone else and making their enemies look like crap, to play nice with an imperfect name change approval process?
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Though, at this point you have to ask yourself: Do I really trust someone getting paid a bare-bones minimum hourly wage who’s already fed up with their job from having to approve thousands of ROBLOX assets a day (and this is ROBLOX assets – not professional UI elements and textures but stupid memes, obvious copies of other works, and general little kid mayhem) to have the dedication to trustworthily take the time to ensure that the name change is proper instead of just clicking “approve” because they hate their job / are tired from having to approve thousands of explosively irritating assets?
I’m sure that most are good moderators, but there are bound to be sloppy ones and when there are only a small number of moderators for such a large playerbase it’s highly likely that your name change will go to one of the sloppy moderators. And if you’re not part of the ROBLOX community, how will you know that Kestrel is a clothing group when they try to change their name to make themselves a war group? (not saying they will – just using an example). It’s impossible to properly make a decision with just the name – you’d have to do a background check on the group itself. And even if they pass that, what’s to prevent someone with a “US Military” group from changing their name to “UK Military” to spite a less-popular UK military group? It’s impossible for moderators to determine whether or not a group has an ulterior motive behind its name change.[/quote]
This is totally not my place, but I figure it’s an idea worth putting out there: an actual Administrator position that an RBXDev member does, kind of like how Vexedly is/was in charge of reading RBXDev applications, Luckymaxer does gear (I think? Might have the wrong person), etc.
Might not be a bad idea if done right.
Again, totally not my place to suggest such a thing. It’s just an idea (I’d, obviously, be interested in doing something like this, if that’s not too bold of me to say)
I made a group in December of 2013 titled “Polaris Building” (only interesting available name I could think of) only to get a cool ID. I never advertised it and nobody joined in, it’s just been sitting in my groups ever since and hasn’t been touched with. I keep it because it’s like a treasure and I hope that sometime I’ll be able to use it but I don’t care too much for the name I originally chose.
Maybe have it so that all other members must be exiled before a name change or the change would automatically exile every member, default ranks, etc. I think just because a really large group might change their name to spite someone else or might totally change their use aren’t very good reasons not to have this feature- players change their names all the time and there isn’t any request pending or moderator required to view it. Just a filter. More importantly, I’ve favorited dozens and dozens of games and when I look back through them, some of the games that I favorited have entirely changed. Users are able to change their games from a FPS to a My Little Pony Roleplay because it’s their choice. The possible thousands of people who play that game just got burned and they can’t play their game anymore, but in their favorites on their profile in advertises that they no longer like a certain shooter but a roleplay, but they have to manually go back and unfavorite it, just like users can do if they join a group but the group changes. Change happens and you have to roll with it, but just because people who joined it might not be in favor of it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to do it.
And as for comparing a group like Kestrel to Microsoft, this is Roblox. Yes people make actual money from the game and yes people pay for their clothing but they have the power to, at any time, take all of their products off sale and close the group store but the players will still be there. Companies go out of business and/or change purposes all the time. Some have a big enough reputation/income they don’t need to and shouldn’t, but others not so much.
Do you see what I’m trying to get at here?
[quote] A feature that can potentially affect a massive number of people (100k, 200k+) should definitely have a manual, human pending process. No automation. The name should be forced to retain at least some aspect of its original purpose and no group should be allowed to completely rebrand itself.
The NBC Shirt Creators situation went something like this:
Pretend a well-known and popular company like Microsoft rebrands itself as an MMO and forces everyone who uses Windows or any other Microsoft product to participate in it at first, obviously with optional drop-out later. This would be unfair to:
A. The consumer who uses Windows and is now being forced to play some stupid MMO because Microsoft completely changed its purpose.
B. Other companies that produce MMOs. Suddenly they have a competitor that nobody can even hope to compete with, especially since a huge chunk of their players undoubtedly use Windows.
It’s entirely unfair to everyone if groups are allowed to undergo complete transformations into something else entirely. Nobody wants to join Super Elite Fighting Squadron only to have it transform overnight into Hello Kitty Fanclub or Merely’s Fanclub. [/quote]
You just based your entire argument on companies not being able to change their purpose.
…But they can. They can even change their name and branding to really whatever they please.
If I don’t agree with the direction a company is going, I can just stop buying products, quit their membership, whatever. The same should be said for groups.
Name IS NOT purpose. It only helps the group display it’s purpose.