Group Names?

Feature Requests Web Features
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[quote] A feature that can potentially affect a massive number of people (100k, 200k+) should definitely have a manual, human pending process. No automation. The name should be forced to retain at least some aspect of its original purpose and no group should be allowed to completely rebrand itself.

The NBC Shirt Creators situation went something like this:
Pretend a well-known and popular company like Microsoft rebrands itself as an MMO and forces everyone who uses Windows or any other Microsoft product to participate in it at first, obviously with optional drop-out later. This would be unfair to:
A. The consumer who uses Windows and is now being forced to play some stupid MMO because Microsoft completely changed its purpose.
B. Other companies that produce MMOs. Suddenly they have a competitor that nobody can even hope to compete with, especially since a huge chunk of their players undoubtedly use Windows.

It’s entirely unfair to everyone if groups are allowed to undergo complete transformations into something else entirely. Nobody wants to join Super Elite Fighting Squadron only to have it transform overnight into Hello Kitty Fanclub or Merely’s Fanclub. [/quote]

You just based your entire argument on companies not being able to change their purpose.

…But they can. They can even change their name and branding to really whatever they please.

If I don’t agree with the direction a company is going, I can just stop buying products, quit their membership, whatever. The same should be said for groups.

Name IS NOT purpose. It only helps the group display it’s purpose.[/quote]

Please refer back to my point about people who got a product from the company and suddenly it transformed into something they weren’t interested in, as in the product itself transforming with the company. Like if every iPhone suddenly turned into a literal apple. That’s more or less the kind of behavior that this feature would be inviting.

And as for comparing a group like Kestrel to Microsoft, this is Roblox. Yes people make actual money from the game and yes people pay for their clothing but they have the power to, at any time, take all of their products off sale and close the group store but the players will still be there.[/quote]

That’s different. We’re talking about, hypothetically, the clothing itself changing after the user already bought it.

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Group membership is not a “product”. It is free and can be revoked at any time.

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Group membership is not a “product”. It is free and can be revoked at any time.[/quote]

But until it is revoked, it misrepresents you and you may not even realize it.

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Group membership is not a “product”. It is free and can be revoked at any time.[/quote]

But until it is revoked, it misrepresents you and you may not even realize it.[/quote]

Again, my suggestion about members be exiled automatically after a name change. It was the user’s choice the join the group and what happens while they are away or what the owner decides to do with the group isn’t under their control.

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Group membership is not a “product”. It is free and can be revoked at any time.[/quote]

But until it is revoked, it misrepresents you and you may not even realize it.[/quote]

An easy solution is to just charge an exorbitant amount of 10,000 R$ and send group members a message like it does for other group feature changes like payrolls and clan invites.

Unless you’re worried about inactive users which really shouldn’t be in groups anyways, honestly. They over inflate the member counts of almost all of the “largest” groups.

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Group membership is not a “product”. It is free and can be revoked at any time.[/quote]

But until it is revoked, it misrepresents you and you may not even realize it.[/quote]

An easy solution is to just charge an exorbitant amount of 10,000 R$ and send group members a message like it does for other group feature changes like payrolls and clan invites.

Unless you’re worried about inactive users which really shouldn’t be in groups anyways, honestly. They over inflate the member counts of almost all of the “largest” groups.[/quote]

A messaging feature for this would work.

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Idk if this has already been said, kinda just skimming down the list of posts. But if it’s not been said.

I like the idea of manual moderation of group name changes. But also implicate 1000 robux + the amount of members in the group to the cost of changing names. This will limit the amount of people sending in applications to change group names.

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Why can’t you just make a new group? Being able to change the name just so you can preserve the ID is dumb.

No – PMing users will not work. What would have happened if ROBLOX PMed every user in NBC Shirt creators when the name changed? They would have dwaddled around on the first page of groups in member, and they’d eventually drop down further, but the majority of members in any group are alts / people that will never log back on again which you pointed out earlier. They’d have a significant member advantage over other groups to rub in their faces from a previous, unrelated group. Groups on ROBLOX are all about shoving other groups’ noses in the dirt and making themselves look all high and mighty. It doesn’t even have to be a war group – remember that Nether-something who constantly plays dirty with people like Rukiryo and other people who make similar anime games? This was the whole problem that happened with NBC Shirt Creators. First off, can you argue that the NBC Shirt Creator name change fiasco was not a problem? No, right? It was a sickening problem. Had Firefume created a UK group with 0 members though, who would have even paid any attention to it? The problem was that he transferred all of the members from a clothing group to a war group and magically had the largest war group on ROBLOX which you just acknowledged was a problem by believing that the NBC Shirt Creators name change was a problem. The existing UK group couldn’t even do a think about it – they were helpless. You should never be able to transfer members to a differently purposed group.

And 10,000 Robux is pocket change for anyone – even I have 10,000 Robux, and I don’t even have a regular source of income. Something that cheap wouldn’t prevent anything.

It restricts purpose. “Epic pony lovers” could never turn into a serious war clan and gain a significant amount of members.

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[quote]
Though, at this point you have to ask yourself: Do I really trust someone getting paid a bare-bones minimum hourly wage who’s already fed up with their job from having to approve thousands of ROBLOX assets a day [/quote]

Yes. For the same reason I trust them not to destory every asset I make no matter how idiotic. *runs off to upload 100 images of lamas to make a full lengh llama film

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[quote]
Though, at this point you have to ask yourself: Do I really trust someone getting paid a bare-bones minimum hourly wage who’s already fed up with their job from having to approve thousands of ROBLOX assets a day [/quote]

Yes. For the same reason I trust them not to destory every asset I make no matter how idiotic. *runs off to upload 100 images of lamas to make a full lengh llama film[/quote]

I didn’t say they’d blow up ROBLOX. I said they’d get sloppy and start approving stuff they shouldn’t because the people uploading ridiculous llama images have exhausted them and they don’t bother putting the effort in to doing an extensive background check on the group and end up just approving it. This already happens with inappropriate images like the pornhub shirt that was reported on the forums yesterday – it’s certain to happen with group names.

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Just thought I’d mention to Echo that he honestly has no idea how much ROBLOX employee’s are paid, and as it’s a small company (relative to big companies with multiple branches) I’m pretty sure the employees get more than minimum wage.

Even moderators. You don’t pay a moderator $9/h to listen to audio files of potentially explicit music, look at potentially explicit images, and read over thousands of false reports. I’ve worked as a moderator before, and I would never do it for minimum wage, even as small as the site that I modded on was.

I agree with you 100%, but you can’t go around making assumptions sound like facts.

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You’re right – they get paid ~$10 an hour One extra dollar an hour above California’s minimum wage isn’t going to make a difference though, and I was never making assumptions.

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You’re right – they get paid ~$10 an hour One extra dollar an hour above California’s minimum wage isn’t going to make a difference though, and I was never making assumptions.[/quote]

You kinda did, and the salary is listed as contractor salary. I was referring to the mods that people know, and that have been with ROBLOX more than long enough to not simple be contractors.

But who knows? Maybe I’m stingy when it comes to moderating.

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I never said that all of them got paid bare bones minimum. Look back at the post you were addressing. One one hand I addressed the minimally paid moderators not having the drive to be able to carefully take the time to ensure the name change doesn’t have an ulterior motive, and then on the other hand I addressed the moderators that everyone knows and have been a part of ROBLOX for a while (i.e. NobleDragon) not being able to detect ulterior motives behind name changes because they’re not people who are deeply rooted into the community like users and don’t think like your average user.

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Since no one picked up what I wanted them to from one of my earlier posts, I will reiterate:

Moderating name changes will not work! Not one mod will be able to tell that changing “Advanced Security” to “Lortex Security” is an attempt to spite Vortex Security! Come up with something else that works, because moderating name changes won’t be able to capture ulterior motives.

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[quote] Since no one picked up what I wanted them to from one of my earlier posts, I will reiterate:

Moderating name changes will not work! Not one mod will be able to tell that changing “Advanced Security” to “Lortex Security” is an attempt to spite Vortex Security! Come up with something else that works, because moderating name changes won’t be able to capture ulterior motives. [/quote]

Sorry dude. In my defense it’s 6 in the morning and only saw your first post.

The solution to this is to make the group your want, the first time.

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That wasn’t addressed specifically at you – there’s about a page of posts since I first said that moderating would never work. But yes, the only solution is to make the group you want the first time – that’s what I’ve been trying to get across.

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You seem to be getting me WAY wrong. All I want to do is maybe change this group to something else. It’s got 0 members but I don’t want to scrap it and make a new group. Simple as that.

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Dude – make a new group. Regardless of whether a feature like this could work or not, “I don’t feel like clicking a couple more buttons to make a new group” is about as far away from a reason to implement a feature as you can get.

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Maybe he doesn’t have R$100.